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duncon
New Member
NGV:Yes
Since:Jan 2010
Proton
Waja 1.6
(Fuel Injection)
Malaysia
41 Posts |
 Posted - 10/05/2010 : 2:38:30 PM
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Dear members, i have another problem that cannot be solve until today. At first I thought it my Starter & Battery problem but after changing and cleaning@servicing the following items..my car still have problem
1. Starter changed (new)
2. Battery changed (new)
3. Throttle Body servicing & cleaning
4. Fuel injector serving & cleaning
5. Spark plug (new standard Proton parts)
6. Cable plug & Coil plug (works fine after try interchange with new)
Every morning when I need to start the car I have to crank it 3 times. The other method is to pump the fuel pedal many times and I'm able to start the car with 1 crank.
Any other members have this kind of problem?
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yeo911
Junior NGV Member
NGV:Yes
Since:Apr 2008
Proton
Waja 1.6 (A)
(Fuel Injection)
Malaysia
80 Posts |
Posted - 11/05/2010 : 08:06:40 AM
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Do you change your car petrol filter?
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duncon
New Member
NGV:Yes
Since:Jan 2010
Proton
Waja 1.6
(Fuel Injection)
Malaysia
41 Posts |
Posted - 11/05/2010 : 10:05:39 AM
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Yes yeo911, filter changed every 20,000km (just changed it last week during major service)..
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tnlrandall
Average Member
NGV:Yes
Since:Jan 2008
Proton
Putra 1.8
(Fuel Injection)
Malaysia
229 Posts |
Posted - 11/05/2010 : 7:02:54 PM
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Hi Duncon,
Maybe you should take a look at the performance of the fuel pump as your car is a FI one and you did not indicate whether you have done anything to it so far. It may not be at it's best efficiency due to age & etc. as indicated by having to crank a few times or manually pumping the fuel pedal a few times before the engine can be started.
Usually, a fuel pump (not necessary a new one)that's at it's optimum performance, unless there's a hiccup some where else, will allow you to start the car engine at the first crank even without having to pump the fuel pedal.
Your fuel pump may be letting you down - SLOWLY.
Worth taking a closer look at it as you have already done what needs to be done so far without solving the problem.
Regards
tnlrandall
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yeo911
Junior NGV Member
NGV:Yes
Since:Apr 2008
Proton
Waja 1.6 (A)
(Fuel Injection)
Malaysia
80 Posts |
Posted - 11/05/2010 : 11:04:43 PM
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Normally this issue is petrol filter clog, but seem like you say you change every 20k. I mean petrol filter not air filter.
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duncon
New Member
NGV:Yes
Since:Jan 2010
Proton
Waja 1.6
(Fuel Injection)
Malaysia
41 Posts |
Posted - 12/05/2010 : 10:11:50 AM
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Originally posted by yeo911
Normally this issue is petrol filter clog, but seem like you say you change every 20k. I mean petrol filter not air filter.
Yes, I understand..I did change my Fuel Filter every 20k. For Air Filter I use K&N.
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duncon
New Member
NGV:Yes
Since:Jan 2010
Proton
Waja 1.6
(Fuel Injection)
Malaysia
41 Posts |
Posted - 12/05/2010 : 10:33:10 AM
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Originally posted by tnlrandall
Hi Duncon,
Maybe you should take a look at the performance of the fuel pump as your car is a FI one and you did not indicate whether you have done anything to it so far. It may not be at it's best efficiency due to age & etc. as indicated by having to crank a few times or manually pumping the fuel pedal a few times before the engine can be started.
Usually, a fuel pump (not necessary a new one)that's at it's optimum performance, unless there's a hiccup some where else, will allow you to start the car engine at the first crank even without having to pump the fuel pedal.
Your fuel pump may be letting you down - SLOWLY.
Worth taking a closer look at it as you have already done what needs to be done so far without solving the problem.
Regards
tnlrandall
Hi Tnlrandal, as for Fuel pump, this is the 3rd time I change my Fuel pump. The second time I use Walbro (high pressure fuel pump) but is failed me after breakdown at scary night at PLUS Highway. So, changed back to original fuel pump on January 2010. Already bring the car to Proton Mechanic as they said fuel pump works well. Maybe I have to spent another day at workshop to troubleshoot the problem.
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tnlrandall
Average Member
NGV:Yes
Since:Jan 2008
Proton
Putra 1.8
(Fuel Injection)
Malaysia
229 Posts |
Posted - 12/05/2010 : 8:16:55 PM
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Hi duncon,
What about the fuel line? Not too much trouble for your mechanic to check it to confirm it's not causing this frustrating problem.
Regards,
tnlrandall
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purple_EJ7
Average Member
NGV:Yes
Proton
Wira 1.3 (M)
(Fuel Injection)
Malaysia
216 Posts |
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duncon
New Member
NGV:Yes
Since:Jan 2010
Proton
Waja 1.6
(Fuel Injection)
Malaysia
41 Posts |
Posted - 13/05/2010 : 4:40:43 PM
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Hi tnlrandall, the fuel line is still OK since they already injected some chemical to clean the entire fuel injector & fuel line. This process will take 30min++ After that they using PDT2000 Scanner to scan any error or sensor and how the engine behave. They also able to monitor how much fuel injected on each injector so that the know which one case the problem. As for my case, no problem found.
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tnlrandall
Average Member
NGV:Yes
Since:Jan 2008
Proton
Putra 1.8
(Fuel Injection)
Malaysia
229 Posts |
Posted - 13/05/2010 : 8:38:11 PM
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Hi duncon,
I hope you still have hair on your head especially after having done what needs to be done, but getting the same disappointing and frustrating result each time.
Hope you can find the culprit that's causing the problem soon and when you do, please let us know.
Regards
tnlrandall
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William
Junior NGV Member
NGV:Gathering information
Since:Feb 2008
Toyota
camry 1994
(Fuel Injection)
Malaysia
64 Posts |
Posted - 13/05/2010 : 9:41:28 PM
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am having same problem , my installer advise to fit a relay to the fuel pump in order to shut it down when not using it.
am going to try it out for a few days ,
my difficulty in starting using petrol is only when the engine is
cold in the morning
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Originally posted by tnlrandall
Hi duncon,
I hope you still have hair on your head especially after having done what needs to be done, but getting the same disappointing and frustrating result each time.
Hope you can find the culprit that's causing the problem soon and when you do, please let us know.
Regards
tnlrandall
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duncon
New Member
NGV:Yes
Since:Jan 2010
Proton
Waja 1.6
(Fuel Injection)
Malaysia
41 Posts |
Posted - 14/05/2010 : 08:51:25 AM
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Hi William, that's something new. Have your mechanic fit the relay for you already? Hopefully its work. What kits you use? Mine is TATARINI. Yes, you have the same problem with me. Try to turn OFF your engine for 30min++ and try to start it again with one crank..if it works the could be this is the solution that cost little RM
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yeo911
Junior NGV Member
NGV:Yes
Since:Apr 2008
Proton
Waja 1.6 (A)
(Fuel Injection)
Malaysia
80 Posts |
Posted - 14/05/2010 : 10:40:46 AM
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As I know, is commont for installer to cut off our fuel pump while using gas. Do your installer not aware of this?
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William
Junior NGV Member
NGV:Gathering information
Since:Feb 2008
Toyota
camry 1994
(Fuel Injection)
Malaysia
64 Posts |
Posted - 15/05/2010 : 02:31:31 AM
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my old Toyota camry is fitted with the mixer Pelmag system
my installer insist this is the problem, have installed a relay
with the hope of prolonging the life of the petrol fuel pump
testing this few days, and see what happens
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Originally posted by duncon
Hi William, that's something new. Have your mechanic fit the relay for you already? Hopefully its work. What kits you use? Mine is TATARINI. Yes, you have the same problem with me. Try to turn OFF your engine for 30min++ and try to start it again with one crank..if it works the could be this is the solution that cost little RM
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duncon
New Member
NGV:Yes
Since:Jan 2010
Proton
Waja 1.6
(Fuel Injection)
Malaysia
41 Posts |
Posted - 17/05/2010 : 11:28:18 AM
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Originally posted by yeo911
As I know, is commont for installer to cut off our fuel pump while using gas. Do your installer not aware of this?
I called my installer on Saturday, but he didn't even know that need to install relay on Fuel Pump and he never install it on any car.
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William
Junior NGV Member
NGV:Gathering information
Since:Feb 2008
Toyota
camry 1994
(Fuel Injection)
Malaysia
64 Posts |
Posted - 17/05/2010 : 12:38:24 PM
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ok problem solved somewhat, no longer difficulty to start with petrol as mine is fuel injection petrol engine needs to start with petrol.
my installer warned me that my fuel pump is weak.
maybe next thing to do is to replace petrol filter
the relay is to prolong he life of the fuel pump as understand fuel pump is on even when we are using ngv gas, as confirmed by the wire man.
quote:
Originally posted by duncon
quote:
Originally posted by yeo911
As I know, is commont for installer to cut off our fuel pump while using gas. Do your installer not aware of this?
I called my installer on Saturday, but he didn't even know that need to install relay on Fuel Pump and he never install it on any car.
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duncon
New Member
NGV:Yes
Since:Jan 2010
Proton
Waja 1.6
(Fuel Injection)
Malaysia
41 Posts |
Posted - 17/05/2010 : 5:02:01 PM
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Dear william, can you tell me how to find your mechanic? That really good news. I plan to go to your mechanic this Saturday :)
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abgabas
Senior NGV Member
NGV:Yes
Since:Jun 2006
Proton
Wira 1.5
(Fuel Injection)
Malaysia
289 Posts |
Posted - 17/05/2010 : 5:09:57 PM
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May i know how much to install the relay? My car now running on it 3rd fuel pump...it like the fuel pump is burning hot..and looking at the condition of pump and fuel...i think better to refresh the fuel in the tank once 1 month or early...I think the main problem is the fuel quality make the pump goes worse...if hard to start for injection car, only two possibilities...1. fuel pump 2. fuel regulator....
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duncon
New Member
NGV:Yes
Since:Jan 2010
Proton
Waja 1.6
(Fuel Injection)
Malaysia
41 Posts |
Posted - 17/05/2010 : 6:17:32 PM
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Yes, William we need your info on this..how much it cost + labour..location of the workshop
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ir2376
Average Member
NGV:No
Ford
Ranger
(Fuel Injection)
Malaysia
134 Posts |
Posted - 17/05/2010 : 10:09:32 PM
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relay tu boleh pasang sendiri
harga dalam rm5
hanya perlu sambung satu wayer dari gas solenoid ke relay (85) dan satu wayer dari relay (86) ke body kereta. wayer di fuel pump dipotong dan sambung ke relay (30) & (87)
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duncon
New Member
NGV:Yes
Since:Jan 2010
Proton
Waja 1.6
(Fuel Injection)
Malaysia
41 Posts |
Posted - 18/05/2010 : 10:02:45 AM
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Originally posted by ir2376
relay tu boleh pasang sendiri
harga dalam rm5
hanya perlu sambung satu wayer dari gas solenoid ke relay (85) dan satu wayer dari relay (86) ke body kereta. wayer di fuel pump dipotong dan sambung ke relay (30) & (87)
Wah! pasti En. ir2376 mahir dalam bidang ni kan? Maaflah saya ni kurang berpengetahuan sikit pasal pemasangan relay ni. Harap kalau dapat membantu beserta Diagram Schematic lebih bagus
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ir2376
Average Member
NGV:No
Ford
Ranger
(Fuel Injection)
Malaysia
134 Posts |
Posted - 18/05/2010 : 7:40:58 PM
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kalau anda beli relay, boleh tgk pada relay tu ada no. 30, 85, 86, 87a, 87b. 85 & 86 untuk suis, guna wire dari gas solenoid dan sambung terminal 85 dan terminal 86 sambung ke chasiss/kereta. wire untuk fuel pump dipotong dan salah satu darinya disambung ke terminal no. 30 dan satu lagi di sambung ke terminal 87 b.
guna multimeter untuk ujian.
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duncon
New Member
NGV:Yes
Since:Jan 2010
Proton
Waja 1.6
(Fuel Injection)
Malaysia
41 Posts |
Posted - 18/05/2010 : 11:03:45 PM
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Originally posted by William
ok problem solved somewhat, no longer difficulty to start with petrol as mine is fuel injection petrol engine needs to start with petrol.
my installer warned me that my fuel pump is weak.
maybe next thing to do is to replace petrol filter
the relay is to prolong he life of the fuel pump as understand fuel pump is on even when we are using ngv gas, as confirmed by the wire man.
Dear William, any info on your Workshop? Hope you don't mind to share with others :)
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duncon
New Member
NGV:Yes
Since:Jan 2010
Proton
Waja 1.6
(Fuel Injection)
Malaysia
41 Posts |
Posted - 18/05/2010 : 11:07:09 PM
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Originally posted by ir2376
kalau anda beli relay, boleh tgk pada relay tu ada no. 30, 85, 86, 87a, 87b. 85 & 86 untuk suis, guna wire dari gas solenoid dan sambung terminal 85 dan terminal 86 sambung ke chasiss/kereta. wire untuk fuel pump dipotong dan salah satu darinya disambung ke terminal no. 30 dan satu lagi di sambung ke terminal 87 b.
guna multimeter untuk ujian.
Tapi, macamana nak sambung tu? Mesti ada special connector & wire yang perlu digunakan. Saya tak berapa berani & pandai nak buat wiring ni. Bolehkah saya beli Relay lepas tu suruh Pomen pasangkan?
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William
Junior NGV Member
NGV:Gathering information
Since:Feb 2008
Toyota
camry 1994
(Fuel Injection)
Malaysia
64 Posts |
Posted - 19/05/2010 : 05:41:02 AM
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ok ,the wireman is located at Jalan Pudu main road near NIssan Showroom, next to the hawkers centre , 2 traffic lights before Jaya Jusco Taman Maluri as we are going towards Cheras area. Go into the small road right after the hawkers centre and ask for the wireman.
His name is Koh Low( Panjang), He does a good job with welding the wires and all but his price i think his charges on the steep side rgt 60 including relay and installation.
My analysis shows the fuel pump and filter will last longer.
those who still cannot find Panjang, just email me yr handphone number.
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Originally posted by duncon
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Originally posted by William
ok problem solved somewhat, no longer difficulty to start with petrol as mine is fuel injection petrol engine needs to start with petrol.
my installer warned me that my fuel pump is weak.
maybe next thing to do is to replace petrol filter
the relay is to prolong he life of the fuel pump as understand fuel pump is on even when we are using ngv gas, as confirmed by the wire man.
Dear William, any info on your Workshop? Hope you don't mind to share with others :)
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duncon
New Member
NGV:Yes
Since:Jan 2010
Proton
Waja 1.6
(Fuel Injection)
Malaysia
41 Posts |
Posted - 19/05/2010 : 10:35:47 AM
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I plan to go on Saturday morning. Hope his available. Do you have the workshop name? I'm kind of lost.
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William
Junior NGV Member
NGV:Gathering information
Since:Feb 2008
Toyota
camry 1994
(Fuel Injection)
Malaysia
64 Posts |
Posted - 19/05/2010 : 11:04:31 AM
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Originally posted by duncon
I plan to go on Saturday morning. Hope his available. Do you have the workshop name? I'm kind of lost.
GPS coordinates as follows
N 3deg 7" 39.0
E 101deg 43" 21.0
try using google earth and map to locate
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duncon
New Member
NGV:Yes
Since:Jan 2010
Proton
Waja 1.6
(Fuel Injection)
Malaysia
41 Posts |
Posted - 19/05/2010 : 11:19:22 AM
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TQ William..GPS coordinates helps a lot
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William
Junior NGV Member
NGV:Gathering information
Since:Feb 2008
Toyota
camry 1994
(Fuel Injection)
Malaysia
64 Posts |
Posted - 19/05/2010 : 4:38:31 PM
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you are welcome
Panjang chinese is operating from a shack and said he is there for years so supposingly , neighbours should know him well.
I still think his charges are high.
Now starting on petrol is not a problem and i hope my fuel pump will have a longer lifespan
Best regards
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Originally posted by duncon
TQ William..GPS coordinates helps a lot
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duncon
New Member
NGV:Yes
Since:Jan 2010
Proton
Waja 1.6
(Fuel Injection)
Malaysia
41 Posts |
Posted - 19/05/2010 : 6:31:05 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by ir2376
kalau anda beli relay, boleh tgk pada relay tu ada no. 30, 85, 86, 87a, 87b. 85 & 86 untuk suis, guna wire dari gas solenoid dan sambung terminal 85 dan terminal 86 sambung ke chasiss/kereta. wire untuk fuel pump dipotong dan salah satu darinya disambung ke terminal no. 30 dan satu lagi di sambung ke terminal 87 b.
guna multimeter untuk ujian.
Saya jangkakan ir2376 pasti seorang Engineer berstatus "Ir". Adakah saya perlukan sebarang connector, soldering iron dan sebagainya untuk membuat penyambungan tersebut? Saya cuma takut tersalah potong nanti lain pula jadinya. Boleh tak saya dapatkan e-mail ir2376 untuk kita terus berhubung?
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Engine Hard To Start in Petrol
