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vios03
Starting NGV Member

NGV:Yes
Since:Sep 2008
Toyota
vios
(Fuel Injection)

Malaysia

15 Posts

Posted - 15/11/2009 :  08:23:39 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi,been using NGV for abt 1 years already,recently notice my car had power loss for a while if i running on petrol for a while(running out of gas) and switch back to gas.......does anyone had this problem b4??

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yeo911
Junior NGV Member

NGV:Yes
Since:Apr 2008
Proton
Waja 1.6 (A)
(Fuel Injection)

Malaysia

92 Posts

Posted - 16/11/2009 :  9:11:11 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
wow, ur vios converted? how much per km?

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geoffreylee
Advanced Member

NGV:Yes
Since:Jul 2008
Proton
Proton Perdana
(Fuel Injection)

Malaysia

730 Posts

Posted - 24/11/2009 :  1:26:10 PM  Show Profile  Send geoffreylee a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
Try clear your Engine ECU and Gearbox ECU as it has adapt to the power and ways of your driving style plus NGV power.

Cheap ways to do so is ... unplug your battery over night.



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clkong
Advanced Member

NGV:Yes
NAZA
Ria
(Fuel Injection)

Malaysia

695 Posts

Posted - 24/11/2009 :  2:42:40 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
geoffreylee, not all car can unplug the battery. If unplug, the car might not able to start anymore. Some car from Kia, BMW or even merz are not allow to unplug the bettery. Better check with the sevice centre first.....
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yeo911
Junior NGV Member

NGV:Yes
Since:Apr 2008
Proton
Waja 1.6 (A)
(Fuel Injection)

Malaysia

92 Posts

Posted - 24/11/2009 :  9:11:57 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
yup i agree with u, unplug won't reset ecu at all.
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geoffreylee
Advanced Member

NGV:Yes
Since:Jul 2008
Proton
Proton Perdana
(Fuel Injection)

Malaysia

730 Posts

Posted - 24/11/2009 :  11:58:14 PM  Show Profile  Send geoffreylee a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
Thanks CLKONG...

I learn the infor for reseting ECU from viosclub.com

Anyway, best way is to use the computer to reset.

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vios03
Starting NGV Member

NGV:Yes
Since:Sep 2008
Toyota
vios
(Fuel Injection)

Malaysia

15 Posts

Posted - 28/11/2009 :  02:33:06 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The power loss i experience is when i'm on gas after i switch back from petrol.....
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cfs6
Junior NGV Member

NGV:Yes
Since:Sep 2009
Perodua
Kancil 850
(Carburetor)

Malaysia

64 Posts

Posted - 28/11/2009 :  08:22:35 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by vios03

The power loss i experience is when i'm on gas after i switch back from petrol.....



My Kancil 850 (Carburator), NGV kits is mixer type
also have this kind of power loss problem.
My Installer said that it is because there is still petrol residue in the carburator that causing the problem.
normally i don't do the switchig (from petrol to gas) when
(1) in traffic jam or slow moving traffic road
(2) road with many traffic light.
normally only in highway/fast moving road, i will do the switching (from petrol to gas).

Another way to solve this is when the power loss happen, stop my car at the roadside and restart the engine, press the acceleration padel until the engine running smooth. Than everything become ok after that.

Anyways most of the time i make sure i have enough gas in tank so that i don't need to do the switching.





Edited by - cfs6 on 04/12/2009 05:03:12 AM
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mican76
Starting NGV Member

NGV:Yes
Since:Jul 2008
Proton
1.3 A
(Fuel Injection)

Malaysia

7 Posts

Posted - 30/11/2009 :  12:55:34 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi viosngverted,

I hav experience on that matters. My cars , Gen2 Campro also having a problem of power loss when using petrol. Last month, my car already brakedown due to valve seat recession ( VSR ) n the mechanic said that campro engine will suffer this problem and i had to do top overhaul n cost me nearly to RM 1000. The mechanics also said that his also done one of toyota vios due to VSR n said ngv user need to suffer the problem coz by ngv.

Hopefully, u send ur car to workshop n request their advise n check ur engine performance.

Hav a try first.

Good Luck

z man
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vios03
Starting NGV Member

NGV:Yes
Since:Sep 2008
Toyota
vios
(Fuel Injection)

Malaysia

15 Posts

Posted - 30/11/2009 :  03:29:30 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Mican76,

Oic,but my car is having power loss when i'm on gas after switching back fr petrol.
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purple_EJ7
Average Member

NGV:Yes
Proton
Wira 1.3 (M)
(Fuel Injection)

Malaysia

248 Posts

Posted - 30/11/2009 :  09:52:08 AM  Show Profile  Visit purple_EJ7's Homepage  Reply with Quote
It could be that the time has come for you to service your regulator and gas filter.

http://www.anggunbistari.co.cc/
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monster
Average Member

NGV:Planning to install soon
Since:Jun 2008
NGV Wira sold... waiting for new car to go NGV


Malaysia

219 Posts

Posted - 03/12/2009 :  1:12:06 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by mican76

Hi viosngverted,

I hav experience on that matters. My cars , Gen2 Campro also having a problem of power loss when using petrol. Last month, my car already brakedown due to valve seat recession ( VSR ) n the mechanic said that campro engine will suffer this problem and i had to do top overhaul n cost me nearly to RM 1000. The mechanics also said that his also done one of toyota vios due to VSR n said ngv user need to suffer the problem coz by ngv.

Hopefully, u send ur car to workshop n request their advise n check ur engine performance.

Hav a try first.

Good Luck



mican76, did u use any lubricant like FlashLube on your Gen2?
How long (time & km) u been using NGV before VSR set in?
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mican76
Starting NGV Member

NGV:Yes
Since:Jul 2008
Proton
1.3 A
(Fuel Injection)

Malaysia

7 Posts

Posted - 06/12/2009 :  10:58:04 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi monster,

About 1 n 1/2 year after that i got this problem. Actually, I not using any Flaslube or anything, but from the mechanics said those campro engine will suffer this problem no matter they use flashlube or what...He said also that flaslube actuallay not so much help n u just need to alternate using petrol n gas esps. during the morning & night time.

Im using sequential type, Tomasetto Achille n right now i just switch on to petrol everytime on morning n night about 5-10 min the after that using the gas mode.



z man
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clkong
Advanced Member

NGV:Yes
NAZA
Ria
(Fuel Injection)

Malaysia

695 Posts

Posted - 07/12/2009 :  11:27:41 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
emmmmmm.....after spending thousand of ringgit on the NGV kit and line up for gas just to save some money, at the end.....all the saving end up with engine repair....than what's the point of converting our car to NGV?
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zaidiisa
Starting NGV Member

NGV:Yes
Since:Jul 2008
Nissan
x-trail
(Fuel Injection)

Malaysia

17 Posts

Posted - 07/12/2009 :  4:08:11 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi, do you mind sharing with us your mileage when the problem occured.What's your driving routine? go to office and come back home type? How long you use the car continuously on natural gas every day?
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geoffreylee
Advanced Member

NGV:Yes
Since:Jul 2008
Proton
Proton Perdana
(Fuel Injection)

Malaysia

730 Posts

Posted - 08/12/2009 :  02:31:35 AM  Show Profile  Send geoffreylee a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by clkong

emmmmmm.....after spending thousand of ringgit on the NGV kit and line up for gas just to save some money, at the end.....all the saving end up with engine repair....than what's the point of converting our car to NGV?




I feel you bro

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oly
Average Member

NGV:Yes
Since:Jul 2008
Proton
Gen 2 1.6 (A)
(Fuel Injection)

Malaysia

203 Posts

Posted - 17/12/2009 :  10:05:45 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by clkong

emmmmmm.....after spending thousand of ringgit on the NGV kit and line up for gas just to save some money, at the end.....all the saving end up with engine repair....than what's the point of converting our car to NGV?




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billyyeoh
Starting NGV Member

NGV:Yes
Since:Sep 2008
NAZA
Citra 2.0
(Fuel Injection)

Malaysia

18 Posts

Posted - 18/12/2009 :  9:08:36 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Can anyone enlighten me what is the first sign that VSR is settling in? Loss of power? Had been on NGV for 1 year 4 months on my Naza Citra. Using EVP as lubricant.
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hoggies
Senior NGV Member

NGV:Yes
Since:Aug 2008
Mercedes-Benz
W124 230E (1990)
(Carburetor)

Malaysia

334 Posts

Posted - 22/12/2009 :  08:05:33 AM  Show Profile  Visit hoggies's Homepage  Reply with Quote
loss of compression, power loss. Can't really be confirmed unless you perform a compression test on your cylinders.

http://autogatemalaysia.blogspot.com
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nofear
New Member

NGV:Yes
Since:Jun 2007
Proton
Waja Campro 1.6A
(Fuel Injection)

Malaysia

41 Posts

Posted - 22/12/2009 :  9:57:16 PM  Show Profile  Click to see nofear's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
I'm using Waja Campro too for 2 years and ~90kKM clocked using NGV, but still running strong with petrol and gas. Funny how does the VSR happen? Look like not milage or campro problem, my gues if the lubricated use...I'm using mobile 1 5-50W, so far so good.
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bencklim
Senior NGV Member

NGV:Yes
Since:Feb 2008
Nissan
Cefiro 3.0
(Fuel Injection)

Malaysia

461 Posts

Posted - 23/12/2009 :  11:15:20 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by nofear

I'm using Waja Campro too for 2 years and ~90kKM clocked using NGV, but still running strong with petrol and gas. Funny how does the VSR happen? Look like not milage or campro problem, my gues if the lubricated use...I'm using mobile 1 5-50W, so far so good.



Mobil 1 don't lubricate top cyclinder.
another reason is the driving habit. You drive with RPM lower than 3000?

Ben.
www.flashlube.com.my
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nofear
New Member

NGV:Yes
Since:Jun 2007
Proton
Waja Campro 1.6A
(Fuel Injection)

Malaysia

41 Posts

Posted - 23/12/2009 :  11:22:16 PM  Show Profile  Click to see nofear's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
Normal drive more than 3000rpm, most of the time 6000rpm
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powersensor
Average Member

NGV:Yes
Since:Jul 2006
Proton
Iswara 1.3 Aeroback
(Carburetor)

Malaysia

198 Posts

Posted - 27/12/2009 :  7:04:40 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Your driving rpm is quite high. For me normal driving always below 3000rpm. Sometimes drive at around 3000rpm to 3200rpm but that is not frequent. So far same power as day 1 install NGV. Perform normal maintenance and no problem at all only. Have to check battery and radiator more frequent to top up water. Also using properly gapped spark plugs help minimize power loss. Using Caltex Havoline engine oil 15-40W and no extra valve lubricant used.


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